Who has more help RG3 or Andrew Luck?

firstly, stats:

rg3:

66.8% completion
1,778 yards
8 tds
3 ints
2 fumbles
qbr 70.9
qbrating 97.3

70 carries
476 yards
6.8 avg
6 tds

luck:

55.6% completion
1,971 yards
8 tds
8 ints
5 fumbles
qbr: 72.2
qbrating: 74.6

26 carries
143 yards
5.5 avg
3 tds

Colts are now 5-3 and the Redskins are 3-6

I haven't watched the Colts as much obviously, but I think Luck has had way more help this season(from receivers and defense)

and, someone will have to tell me how Luck's QBR can possibly be higher than RG3's.

QBR is a joke of a stat.

I think it's pretty even.

I think Luck has the WR's with Wayne and co.
But RGIII has the running game with Morris.

RGIII has Alfred Morris, Santana Moss, and when healthy, a pretty good defense. Luck has Donald Brown and Reggie Wayne lol

HurpDurpHurray wrote:RGIII has Alfred Morris, Santana Moss, and when healthy, a pretty good defense. Luck has Donald Brown and Reggie Wayne lol

I'll agree with Morris and suppose I could concede Moss(even though his fumble cost the game last week);however:

even if the front seven were healthy the secondary would still be getting raped

but that's almost exactly the point anyway, rg3 hasn't been able to experience a healthy redskin defense.

let me know when rg3 blows a game that the defense effectively won

Luck has better WRs, RG3 has the better run game and defense.

O line idk haven't watched too many colts games.

Luck has 1 better WR in Wayne lol.

TY Hilton and donnie avery are not better then Hankerson ( top receiver skins) , santana moss (used to be a pro bowler), Josh morgan ( top signing in FA), Garcon( had same stats as Wayne last season lol)

So Wayne and Garcon are about the same lookin at last season and all others on the skins are better.

lets look at TE:
you wanna claim that fleener or allen ( both rookies) are better then fred davis

seriously who knows who plays o-line for the colts lol.


on the defensive side the colts have to over 30 olb who played DE their entire career lol.
Also both been battling injuries through the season.

the only position on defense where the colts might actually have an advantage over the skins is at safety with bethea lol.

any other position the skins have a better player who isent playing in a new scheme lol

TRU11 wrote:Luck has 1 better WR in Wayne lol.

TY Hilton and donnie avery are not better then Hankerson ( top receiver skins) , santana moss (used to be a pro bowler), Josh morgan ( top signing in FA), Garcon( had same stats as Wayne last season lol)

So Wayne and Garcon are about the same lookin at last season and all others on the skins are better.

lets look at TE:
you wanna claim that fleener or allen ( both rookies) are better then fred davis

seriously who knows who plays o-line for the colts lol.


on the defensive side the colts have to over 30 olb who played DE their entire career lol.
Also both been battling injuries through the season.

the only position on defense where the colts might actually have an advantage over the skins is at safety with bethea lol.

any other position the skins have a better player who isent playing in a new scheme lol

see, normally I would partially agree with you, this only problem is:

garcon has effectively played in one game
davis is out the rest of the year
orakpo and carriker have been out for the year for a while
meriweather hasn't really played
at least one CB is out per game(not like it matters, they're all awful)
jamaal brown has been hurt

can't really speak of advantageous players that aren't playing. Also, Josh Morgan, Hankerson, and Moss have all taken turns making detrimental mistakes that effectively caused losses when RG3 had put them in position to win.

and, if the Redskins' defense is so much better, then why is the Redskins dead last in nearly every category..I was just skimming through the stat lines but in the 'major stats' the Redskins appeared to average about 30th whereas the Colts averaged 23-24

Pintsizedjark wrote:

TRU11 wrote:Luck has 1 better WR in Wayne lol.

TY Hilton and donnie avery are not better then Hankerson ( top receiver skins) , santana moss (used to be a pro bowler), Josh morgan ( top signing in FA), Garcon( had same stats as Wayne last season lol)

So Wayne and Garcon are about the same lookin at last season and all others on the skins are better.

lets look at TE:
you wanna claim that fleener or allen ( both rookies) are better then fred davis

seriously who knows who plays o-line for the colts lol.


on the defensive side the colts have to over 30 olb who played DE their entire career lol.
Also both been battling injuries through the season.

the only position on defense where the colts might actually have an advantage over the skins is at safety with bethea lol.

any other position the skins have a better player who isent playing in a new scheme lol

see, normally I would partially agree with you, this only problem is:

garcon has effectively played in one game
davis is out the rest of the year
orakpo and carriker have been out for the year for a while
meriweather hasn't really played
at least one CB is out per game(not like it matters, they're all awful)
jamaal brown has been hurt

can't really speak of advantageous players that aren't playing. Also, Josh Morgan, Hankerson, and Moss have all taken turns making detrimental mistakes that effectively caused losses when RG3 had put them in position to win.

and, if the Redskins' defense is so much better, then why is the Redskins dead last in nearly every category..I was just skimming through the stat lines but in the 'major stats' the Redskins appeared to average about 30th whereas the Colts averaged 23-24

so your giving RG3 a pass by blaming the WRs for not producing yet your not giving Luck any credit for his WRs making plays
So according to you the colts WRs played perfect all season and it was luch screwing up ???

o-line: skins is better with or with out injuries

WR: Wayne is the best WR but then again he is the only good WR luck has. When it comes to best group of WRs the skins have the better group by far.

RB: seriously the skins top RB has double the yards of the colts top RB lol.

TE: Sure davis is out now but when he played he was better then those 2 rookies Luck have lol and bringing Cooley back means RG3 gets an experienced guy to help him out. Madden wise id pick colts TE. Real life gimme the veteran guys.

now you want to bring up both orapko and kerrigan being out for a while yet they have better stats combined compared to both those off freeney and mathis lol.

Seriously that should say alot about how good those 2 have been
orapko in the 2 games he played has about the same stats as freeney lol and kerrigan stats are about the same as mathis.

what does this tell you???

Well freeney and mathis arent as good as they used to be.

Why you ask??

Well both are old, often injured and so missing snaps, both play a new position, new scheme for the first time in their career and their HC who introduced this scheme has been batteling a serious illness.
Both have the luck in having a worse d-line in front of them who only has 1 veteran guy familiar with this scheme unlinke any with the skins.

You can bring up how the skins are almost dead last in every major stat on defense but you forget that there is also an easy way to explain this lol.
And its not that they are that bad talent wise as you claim.

im going to give you the biggest reason why the redskins defense has worse stats then those of the colts.

so far the colts are 55 out 122 on 3rd down good for 45% and 4 out 5 on 4th down good for 80%.
Skins are 32 out of 112 on 3rd down good for just 29 % and 11 out of 14 on 4th down good for 79%.

so this means the colts are better at keeping a drive going while the skins are better at getting their defense on the field lol.

dont believe then why dont you go look at what team is averging more first downs a game lol.